Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi
show details 7:40 AM (9 hours ago)
Reference Veteran Harsh Pant's mail below..........
This is definitely a very Positive Attitude..........We need to help ourselves.
The second mail from Veteran Mehandru suggests issue of glucometers to diabetics. The suggestion is good and is being forwarded to Hq ECHS. Hope this comes through. Its like an ATM card ............both, the bank AND the consumer benefit. Polyclinics would benefit in reduced loads at labs and perhaps costing in the long run. It would be great convenience to users, by no means getting any fitter with age.
From: Harsh Pant [mailto:hvpant687@yahoo.co.in]
Sent: 10 August 2010 05:18
Subject: Re: SOME MORE INPUTS ON DD PROGRAMME AND OTHER EMAILS FROM MEMBERS - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" -
BLOOD TEST
(FASTING)
Sir,
I am diagnosed with NIDDM.
I spend Rs 10/- for my Fasting report. May I share how:-
Syringe and vial for collection are taken from ECHS.
I go at 0600 h (6 A.M.) to a private lab close to my house.
All I ask the technician is, in lighter vein, to be a "khatmal" draw blood and load it in the ECHS vial. He normally does not ask for any remunaration-I pay him in gratitude.
Have my morning cuppa tea at 0615. Go comfortably to ECHS after B'fast- get the PP sample taken there and deposit the Fasting sample.
Collect report next day.
No problems for me. No objection by ECHS.
Your discretion in case it should be passed on.
With warm regards and Best wishes
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From: swastikgreens [mailto:swastikgreens@airtelmail.in]
Sent: 10 August 2010 10:39
Subject: E C H S..HEALTH CARE FOR THE VETERANS
The experience of veterans makes a sad reading and we owe it to them to put our heads, hearts and hands together and set the system run smoothly. Some of the possible steps may be considered..
Since clearing of hospital bills seems to be the demon we must streamline it and lay down a time limit for clearance of bills after which the bills must be deemed ‘passed’.
Pending this we have to contact both empanelled and other super speciality hospitals and seek their assistance to provide facility to veterans at subsidised rates or alternately.
The veteran pays as per the ECHS rates and himself claims the bill money paid by him. Rather tough for us to bear but can be of use when no other avenue is open.
We must allowed to consult/get diagnosis from any super specialist of our choosing by paying ourselves and get the recommended treatment /medicines through ECHS.
Diabetics seem to be the worst hit. They require regular sugar level checks..Fasting,PP,3 AM,..before dinner ,after dinner. and random as advised by the specialist. They must be given a Glucometer once in 3 years and a pack of 25 strips every 3 months to relieve their ordeal. This is the way they test in the best specialist hospitals also. For Gurgaon the diabetes specialist on panel visits Rockland for 2 hours thrice a week but a full fledged Diabetic Centre Sitaram Bhartiya Research institute is not on panel even though the offer comprehensive packages to diabetitce esp veterans.
The point requiring immediate attention is the travelling of veterans from bus stops to ECHS and back .The sick and aged have to trudge along for good 5 km or so one way and get back again in rain,sun or cold by most uncomfortable means or on foot mostly having to carry the month’s CSD stuff also..
We have to immediately provide ,to begin with amenity transport from the unit running the show and the two CSD stores from canteen profits and along with contact corporate,,TATAS,MAHENDRAS etc to lend a helping hand. Let us really take care of the men we commanded.
Now Let US FACE THE BALL. G of I,MOD,RRM OR P.M cannot be expected to come to our resecue because we are APOLITICAL...the neuteral......
The ECHS has all the senior , talented and well known officers as members we must request them to contact the various hospitals , corporates and NGOs and seek maximum help and co-orperation. This can be our only hope to find solace and do our duty to the vateranse.
JAI HIND
Major Mehandru
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With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,
A-35, Sector 36,
Noida 201303.
Mob: +919891279035
Wednesday, August 11, 2010
Sunday, August 8, 2010
ECHS - A GOOD SUGGESTION WORTH EXAMINING - "REPORT MY SIGNAL"
From: avtar singh avtar_singh10@hotmail.com
Sent: 04 August 2010 23:32
To: K K Pun chi; Kamboj
Subject: RE: ECHS - A GOOD SUGGESTION WORTH EXAMINING - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 340/2010 - (A to G) - 04 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
Dear All,
I have been projecting difficulties in getting treatment from ECHS Poly clinic.
Before I put forth my views I would like to state that only success that Govt has achieved by introducing ECHS is to segregate veterans from serving counterparts.
For a simple high fever during silent hours one has to visit Base hospital at Delhi.
Again Sir for specialised treatment like problem in ear nos throat one is again referred to Base hospital which is about 40 KM from east Delhi .
At Base hospital he treatment may entail a number of visit.
Not the least an arthritis patient has also to follow the same drill. He will first be referred to Base hospital and from there to R & R.
If a veteran from east Delhi visit Base hospital using auto he has to spend Rs 250 and by Taxi it is double the amount.
Also It makes economic sense to get your self traeted by a docto nearby rather than taking this circutous route.
There is an urgent need to
(a) Position specialists of all fields at ECHS on selected days if not full time.
(b) Veterans beyond certain distance from service hospiktal should be given option to be referred to empanelled hospital.
I do not foresee this to happen during my life time
Regards
Avtar Singh
Lt Cdr
6-8-2010
Sent: 04 August 2010 23:32
To: K K Pun chi; Kamboj
Subject: RE: ECHS - A GOOD SUGGESTION WORTH EXAMINING - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 340/2010 - (A to G) - 04 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
Dear All,
I have been projecting difficulties in getting treatment from ECHS Poly clinic.
Before I put forth my views I would like to state that only success that Govt has achieved by introducing ECHS is to segregate veterans from serving counterparts.
For a simple high fever during silent hours one has to visit Base hospital at Delhi.
Again Sir for specialised treatment like problem in ear nos throat one is again referred to Base hospital which is about 40 KM from east Delhi .
At Base hospital he treatment may entail a number of visit.
Not the least an arthritis patient has also to follow the same drill. He will first be referred to Base hospital and from there to R & R.
If a veteran from east Delhi visit Base hospital using auto he has to spend Rs 250 and by Taxi it is double the amount.
Also It makes economic sense to get your self traeted by a docto nearby rather than taking this circutous route.
There is an urgent need to
(a) Position specialists of all fields at ECHS on selected days if not full time.
(b) Veterans beyond certain distance from service hospiktal should be given option to be referred to empanelled hospital.
I do not foresee this to happen during my life time
Regards
Avtar Singh
Lt Cdr
6-8-2010
Views By Cdr R Pathak
From: Ravindra Pathak [mailto:raviwarsha@gmail.com]
Sent: 06 August 2010 02:09
To: Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi
Cc: REPORT MY SIGNAL (Chander Kamboj); Brigadier Dharam Prakash; rajkadyan; Kuthiala SC Brig; Vinod Patil; vk talwar
Subject: Re: ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL
Dear Sir
My suggestion is that Nerul/Upanagar/Thane and other polyclinics be treated as Non MH stations and local doctors be empaneled.
Certainly a MH so difficult to reach can not make these polyclinics as MH dependent.
May be this will solve some of the problems.
Vinod may take up at the meeting on Monday.
Brgds
Ravi
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Member and Coordinator IESM Pension Cell
(Mobile 919822329340)
1 Surashri, 1146 Lakaki Road, Shivajinagar, Pune 411016
Tel 91 20 25655792
Alternate email:raviwarsha@hotmail.com
Military Veterans visit www.iesm.org
Sent: 06 August 2010 02:09
To: Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi
Cc: REPORT MY SIGNAL (Chander Kamboj); Brigadier Dharam Prakash; rajkadyan; Kuthiala SC Brig; Vinod Patil; vk talwar
Subject: Re: ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL
Dear Sir
My suggestion is that Nerul/Upanagar/Thane and other polyclinics be treated as Non MH stations and local doctors be empaneled.
Certainly a MH so difficult to reach can not make these polyclinics as MH dependent.
May be this will solve some of the problems.
Vinod may take up at the meeting on Monday.
Brgds
Ravi
Cdr Ravindra Waman Pathak I.N.(Retd)
Member and Coordinator IESM Pension Cell
(Mobile 919822329340)
1 Surashri, 1146 Lakaki Road, Shivajinagar, Pune 411016
Tel 91 20 25655792
Alternate email:raviwarsha@hotmail.com
Military Veterans visit www.iesm.org
ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL By Col RP Chaturvedi
From: Rakesh Prasad Chaturvedi rpchaturvedi@gmail.com
Sent: 06 August 2010 00:01
To: REPORT MY SIGNAL (Chander Kamboj)
Cc: Brigadier Dharam Prakash; rajkadyan; Kuthiala SC Brig; Vinod Patil; Ravindra Pathak; vk talwar
Subject: ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL
Sir,
Thanks for bringing the good work of some good doctors to notice of the larger ESM community. I am sure this is a good model for the others to emulate.
The contracting of empaneled hospittals, and location of teh polyclinic is a local station matter and HAS to be resolved in consultation with them.
I am copying this to the members of RLC Cdr Pathak, and Col Patil, both in Pune, and our PLC member at Mumbai, Cdr VK Talwar, with request to take it forward.
The bit about the need for more Polyclinics in Mumbai, since L of C are TWO cutting across the city, which makes lateral movement time consuming, had been earlier pointed out by Cdr Talwar, and perhaps the matter HAS been taken up with local authority last year. Where it stands now, I am not aware.
However a new polyclinic IS being set up at Navi Mumbai as part of the 197 new ones coming across India.
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,
A-35, Sector 36,
Noida 201303.
Mob: +919891279035
Skype: rakesh.prasad.chaturvedi
Sent: 06 August 2010 00:01
To: REPORT MY SIGNAL (Chander Kamboj)
Cc: Brigadier Dharam Prakash; rajkadyan; Kuthiala SC Brig; Vinod Patil; Ravindra Pathak; vk talwar
Subject: ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL
Sir,
Thanks for bringing the good work of some good doctors to notice of the larger ESM community. I am sure this is a good model for the others to emulate.
The contracting of empaneled hospittals, and location of teh polyclinic is a local station matter and HAS to be resolved in consultation with them.
I am copying this to the members of RLC Cdr Pathak, and Col Patil, both in Pune, and our PLC member at Mumbai, Cdr VK Talwar, with request to take it forward.
The bit about the need for more Polyclinics in Mumbai, since L of C are TWO cutting across the city, which makes lateral movement time consuming, had been earlier pointed out by Cdr Talwar, and perhaps the matter HAS been taken up with local authority last year. Where it stands now, I am not aware.
However a new polyclinic IS being set up at Navi Mumbai as part of the 197 new ones coming across India.
With Warm Regards,
Col RP Chaturvedi,
A-35, Sector 36,
Noida 201303.
Mob: +919891279035
Skype: rakesh.prasad.chaturvedi
ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL By Brig Dharam Prakash
From: Brigadier Dharam Prakash brigadierdp@gmail.com
Sent: 05 August 2010 10:22
To: rajkadyan; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; Kamboj Chander
Subject: ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL
Dear Raj & Kamboj,
ECHS Nerul, Navi Mumbai is located over 40 km from INS Ashvani. Taking into consideration travel time and the wait at INS Ashvini, it’s almost a complete day’s activity when ESM are referred for specialist OPD consultations at ASHVINI. No hospital in vicinity has yet been empanelled though the process is on for some hospitals.
In order to obviate difficulties experienced by ESM & families, some IESM members approached local EYE, ORTHOPAEDIC & GYNAECOLOGIST to provide OPD consultations to ESM locally, they are providing such consultations free to ESM fraternity as social obligation to Defence personnel. We appreciate such gesture.
We thought we share our experience with others who may like to replicate.
Brigadier Dharam Prakash (Retd)
B-401, AWHO Complex, Sector 9
Nerul, Navi Mumbai, 400706.
022 27703854 (R), 022 27700341 (Fax)
Sent: 05 August 2010 10:22
To: rajkadyan; kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in; Kamboj Chander
Subject: ENHANCED FACILITY AT ECHS NERUL
Dear Raj & Kamboj,
ECHS Nerul, Navi Mumbai is located over 40 km from INS Ashvani. Taking into consideration travel time and the wait at INS Ashvini, it’s almost a complete day’s activity when ESM are referred for specialist OPD consultations at ASHVINI. No hospital in vicinity has yet been empanelled though the process is on for some hospitals.
In order to obviate difficulties experienced by ESM & families, some IESM members approached local EYE, ORTHOPAEDIC & GYNAECOLOGIST to provide OPD consultations to ESM locally, they are providing such consultations free to ESM fraternity as social obligation to Defence personnel. We appreciate such gesture.
We thought we share our experience with others who may like to replicate.
Brigadier Dharam Prakash (Retd)
B-401, AWHO Complex, Sector 9
Nerul, Navi Mumbai, 400706.
022 27703854 (R), 022 27700341 (Fax)
Views bY AVM RP Mishra
From: RP Mishra [mailto:avmrpm@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 August 2010 01:57
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: ECHS - A GOOD SUGGESTION WORTH EXAMINING - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 340/2010
This is with reference to the mail of Major Mehandru on the above subject. As per my knowledge, a member can go to any non-empanelled good hospital with the approval of ECHS Authorities,and claim re-imbursement of the bill limited to ECHS rates.
Regards.
AVM RP Mishra
Sent: 05 August 2010 01:57
To: kamboj_cs@yahoo.co.in
Subject: ECHS - A GOOD SUGGESTION WORTH EXAMINING - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 340/2010
This is with reference to the mail of Major Mehandru on the above subject. As per my knowledge, a member can go to any non-empanelled good hospital with the approval of ECHS Authorities,and claim re-imbursement of the bill limited to ECHS rates.
Regards.
AVM RP Mishra
Views by Gp Capt SS pathak
-----------From: Suhas phatak [mailto:sushan1005@yahoo.com]
Sent: 06 August 2010 09:08
To: R P Chaturvedi
Subject: Fw: ECHS - A GOOD SUGGESTION WORTH EXAMINING - "REPORT MY SIGNAL" - EMAIL 340/2010 - (H to Z-1) - 04 AUG 2010 (USA CT)
Dear Sir,
In addition to what is stated below, I also feel that the entire fraternity of AMC officers with their expertise gained in service and those who are not gainfully employed should be pooled in to attend medical camps in their surrounding villages/towns/ districts entirely for the benefit for citizens free of charge. It is our CSR activity.The present state of affairs in public & general hospitals is well known. Mr Desai of Medical Council of India even gave license to practise medicine to all unauthorised students and gained lot of money.
We can really give back to Society.
regards,
Gp Capt SS Phatak
iesm and echs by Maj Gen Satish Chandra
From: Satish Jalota [mailto:satishjalota@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 August 2010 04:25
To: rpchaturvedi@gmail.com
Cc: Kamboj Chander
Subject: iesm and echs
I have read the suggestion from Maj Mehandru. Very good idea.
The iesm group takes the suggestions but does not give any feed back.
Recently I had sent some points which had gone to the GM echs and AG , even before IESM came into being.
Communication----why a second phone without STD facility cannot be there in a Poly? There are recieve only phones too.
Why the entire ECHS Org has Mobiles but no number for us to contact them in emergency?
Why the Fax is switched off at night ?
Why there is no toll free number for a region?
Answers are simple: the serving officers running the org do not want to be disturbed.
Solution If there are no funds, ask people to donate money. Have the will and a plan.I ahve
Civil Hospitals
1 Continue with present system. It suits the Babus.
2 Accept the suggestion from Mj Mendru.
3 You fix your charges and I pay the balance, but let me go where ever I want to go. My recent experience with Max and Medanta has been wonderful.
4 Get ESMS from our mecical services to guide the serving officers in the ECHS Org and Station HQ, to be flexible.
Hearing Aids
This area is real racket. One or two vendors have grabbed the field. Even if I need a simple and low cost machine, they want to sell a high value stuff. THE SOLUTION LIES IN getting in more vendors, at least for AUDIOMETRY and arriving at correct solution. Then, the favoured ones by the ECHS should be asked to produce that stuff. ( THESE
Maj Gen Satish Chandra(Retd)
Ex Technical Adviser Defense-London and Director , National Range for Missiles.
+91 9810355010
Sent: 05 August 2010 04:25
To: rpchaturvedi@gmail.com
Cc: Kamboj Chander
Subject: iesm and echs
I have read the suggestion from Maj Mehandru. Very good idea.
The iesm group takes the suggestions but does not give any feed back.
Recently I had sent some points which had gone to the GM echs and AG , even before IESM came into being.
Communication----why a second phone without STD facility cannot be there in a Poly? There are recieve only phones too.
Why the entire ECHS Org has Mobiles but no number for us to contact them in emergency?
Why the Fax is switched off at night ?
Why there is no toll free number for a region?
Answers are simple: the serving officers running the org do not want to be disturbed.
Solution If there are no funds, ask people to donate money. Have the will and a plan.I ahve
Civil Hospitals
1 Continue with present system. It suits the Babus.
2 Accept the suggestion from Mj Mendru.
3 You fix your charges and I pay the balance, but let me go where ever I want to go. My recent experience with Max and Medanta has been wonderful.
4 Get ESMS from our mecical services to guide the serving officers in the ECHS Org and Station HQ, to be flexible.
Hearing Aids
This area is real racket. One or two vendors have grabbed the field. Even if I need a simple and low cost machine, they want to sell a high value stuff. THE SOLUTION LIES IN getting in more vendors, at least for AUDIOMETRY and arriving at correct solution. Then, the favoured ones by the ECHS should be asked to produce that stuff. ( THESE
Maj Gen Satish Chandra(Retd)
Ex Technical Adviser Defense-London and Director , National Range for Missiles.
+91 9810355010
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